Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:12:29 +0000
From: bush_stole_election@fastmail.fm ("Mr.Liberal")
Subject: [azpeace] Fwd: [alts2war] Israeli Refuseniks on 60 minutes this Sunday
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On Sat, 4 May 2002 10:36:23 EDT, Familywork90@aol.com said: > The purpose of Alts2War is to share ideas and information ... to make
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> As some of you know, the Reservists will be on 60 Minutes Sunday night
> (May 5, 2002) at 7:00 PM EST (I don't know if the schedule is the same
> on
> the West Coast). Below is the intro to the piece from te 60 Minutes
> Web
> Site:
>
> (CBS) Yaniv Iczkovics and David Zonsheine, Israeli paratroopers, served
> a tour in the Gaza Strip last December, and say their presence there
> caused impoverished Palestinians additional hardship.
>
> Thats why they are leading a 450-strong group of Israeli soldiers
> who
> wont fight in Gaza or the West Bank, reports correspondent Bob
> Simon,
> who interviewed the two in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv for 60 Minutes. The
> interview is to be aired Sunday, May 5, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
>
> Members of the group are considered heroes by some and traitors by
> others.
>
> I felt like what I was doing was wrong, says Iczkovics. Our
> presence
> there simply causes an impossible situation for their normal life.
> The two
> discussed their reservations among other soldiers and eventually more
> joined their movement to refuse to fight in the Occupied Territories.
>
> Amit Mashiah tells Simon of a confrontation with an old Palestinian
> woman,
> an incident that he said helped convince him to become a Refusenik.
>
> There was an old lady who ran to me and spat in my face. Its a
> dangerous
> situation. Youve got your soldiers behind you seeing youve been
> spat in
> the face and what do you do? Mashiah asks. He tells Simon that he
> shoved her real hard, and says it was worse for him to shove her
> than
> it was to have been spat upon. It was a terrible thing to do, he
> says.
>
> The Refuseniks have caused no shortage of soldiers in Israel. In fact,
> many
> more volunteers have emerged since the Palestinian suicide bombings
> were
> stepped up. Their numbers are small, but because many come from elite
> units, they must be taken seriously, says Dr. Yoram Ezrahi, a political
> scientist.
>
> The leadership cannot afford to ignore [Refuseniks], says Ezrahi,
> who
> has served as a strategic analyst for the Israeli Army chief of staff.
> My
> impression was that the leaders of the Israeli Army are definitely
> taking
> this message veryseriously.
>
But a member of Prime Minister Ariel Sharons cabinet says that among > the Israeli people, the Refuseniks are an aberration, an embarrassment
> to Israel. They are objectors without any conscience, says Limor
> Livnat.
> I believe that the vast majority of Israelis really believe that now
> we have
> todefend ourselvesmake sure that there will be no bombers any
> more.
>
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As some of you know, the Reservists will be on 60 Minutes Sunday night (May 5, 2002) at 7:00 PM EST (I don't know if the schedule is the same on the West Coast). Below is the intro to the piece from the 60 Minutes Web Site:

(CBS) Yaniv Iczkovics and David Zonsheine, Israeli paratroopers, served a tour in the Gaza Strip last December and say their presence there caused impoverished Palestinians additional hardship.

Thats why they are leading a 450-strong group of Israeli soldiers who wont fight in Gaza or the West Bank, reports correspondent Bob Simon, who interviewed the two in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv for 60 Minutes. The interview is to be aired Sunday, May 5, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

Members of the group are considered heroes by some and traitors by others.

I felt like what I was doing was wrong, says Iczkovics. Our presence there simply causes an impossible situation for their normal life. The two discussed their reservations among other soldiers and eventually more joined their movement to refuse to fight in the Occupied Territories.

Amit Mashiah tells Simon of a confrontation with an old Palestinian woman an incident that he said helped convince him to become a Refusenik.

There was an old lady who ran to me and spat in my face. Its a dangerous situation. Youve got your soldiers behind you seeing youve been spat in the face and what do you do? Mashiah asks. He tells Simon that he shoved her real hard, and says it was worse for him to shove her than it was to have been spat upon. It was a terrible thing to do, he says.

The Refuseniks have caused no shortage of soldiers in Israel. In fact, many more volunteers have emerged since the Palestinian suicide bombings were stepped up. Their numbers are small, but because many come from elite units, they must be taken seriously, says Dr. Yoram Ezrahi, a political scientist. The leadership cannot afford to ignore [Refuseniks], says Ezrahi, who has served as a strategic analyst for the Israeli Army chief of staff. My impression was that the leaders of the Israeli Army are definitely taking this message veryseriously.

But a member of Prime Minister Ariel Sharons cabinet says that among the Israeli people, the Refuseniks are an aberration, an embarrassment to Israel. They are objectors without any conscience, says Limor Livnat. I believe that the vast majority of Israelis really believe that now we have todefend ourselvesmake sure that there will be no bombers any more.

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